29.12.06

race issues

we practically had a race riot at work yesterday.
one of my collegues is ukrainian, from some village i have never heard of. naturally, i talk to her alot, since we both speak russian. she has been here for 7 years already, but her english is pretty poor, which i suppose is not surprising: she spoke none at all when she arrived, and spent most of her first few years here cleaning dishes, most likelywith other ukrainians and poles. anyway, my point isthat her brain stayed in ukraine, and she hasnt really blended in much with english society, or it would seem, english values.
i am used to such people, so i didnt really think anything of it that she called our afro-british collegues "ni***rs" when we were speaking together in russian. i could never use that word myself, but russians do all the time and it is not considered in the same way there as it is here. but when you are in england, you have to follow english rules whether you like it or not, and that was the problem yesterday.
a woman came into the shop wearing a full burqua. she bought her books and left. then one of my other collegues commented that the burqua had been really beautiful. it had been: it was obviously made of really expensive material, and the cloth looked great. but oli (the ukrainian, the english call her that since her full name is too hard for them to pronounce) said that "those people" should go back where they came from if they dont want to dress "normally."
it was at that moment that all hell broke loose. one of the other collegues standing up front near me happens to be a british-born muslim and literally went berserk. he told oli she was a racist bitch, and that he, and most british muslims, had more right to be there than she, since he was born there, and speaks correct english, and that maybe she was the one who should go back where she came from, seeing as she obviously failed to understand english values. an incredible fight ensued. apparently it never occurred to oli that most english people consider english born muslims to be as english as anyother english person, she seemed to think that because her skin is white she has something in common with the english. but, of course, english people judge her by her poor english and think that she is stupid.....and foreign. i have to admit there was something ridiculous about hearing someone in a thick ukrainian accent saying london born people should "go back where they came from." at a certain point i fled to another section just to avoid getting dragged into the whole scene. but later MD (the british born muslim, whose parents are sudanese) told me how much he hates oli since she is always making racist and nationalistic remarks. he kept asking me why i was so different, when oli and i both come from the same place (we dont, but he doesnt understand that, since he just hears us talking to each other in the same language and assumes we are from the same place, and anyway oli claims to be russian, since she doesnt speak ukrainian and doesnt want to), and then oli came by to complain to me in russian that MD was a stupid ni***r and should go back to africa. apparently she had failed to grasp MD's point that he has never BEEN to africa and has lived in london his whole life.
later the boss came by to ask ME to explain the situation, since i seem to have become the specialist in explaining east euro behaviour. these moments make me cringe. i dont think such discussions should take place at work, in front of customers, many of whom might well be offended by such things, and i certainly cant understand why you would seeming delibrarely go out of your way to offend someone's faith.....i like to be on good terms with all my collegues, so i am nervous how this will play out, and how i will avoid taking sides.

13 commentaires:

Tom Conway a dit…

Fascinating combination of angles you're confronted with there.When the whole veil issue kicked off in public I suspected it was just Jack Straw attempting to raise his profile, what with Blair's retirement on the horizon. I've seen very few women wearing full veils in my time- I thought to many people it would just be the shock of the "new". Then I saw a woman with one in the street for the first time in ages and it seemed totally unremarkable. The air of suspicion, compared with a few years ago, when we were lapping up Asian culture and Robin Cook was making his "Tikka Massala" speech is incredible.

naneh a dit…

yeah you are right about the changed air of fear and suspicion....i see women with headscarfs fairly often, but i aggree that full veils are a rare sight, and they are certain the minority of the head coverings i see.
the problem i suppose for my collegue is that she somehow thought that her christian background gave her more right to be here than some people who are born here, which my other collegue debated.am a bit nervous as to how things will go down today (i had the day of yesterday, hopefully things have cooled down since)

Anonyme a dit…

i was at V.'s slava recently. and a friend of his brother was trying to make a point that shiptar is not pejorative for albanians in Serbian, because it's just for Kosovo albanians, and well, they are shiptari and how else would anybody call them ...

don't ask me why, though ...

Anonyme a dit…

People who come to live in England (a priviledge surely, not a right) really ought to consider abiding by English codes of conduct.

Just watch the news tonight. When female reporters on the BBC report from muslim countries, they wear a headscarf. Not because they've converted, but because you have to respect your host community.

Many people - and, it has to be said, many muslims - lack such respect. As an example, just listen to how Oli was challenge by her muslim co-worker:

"he told oli she was a racist bitch, and that he, and most british muslims, had more right to be there than she, since he was born there"

Hardly an apprpriate or respectful response.

English people have seen their country changed beyond all recognition by immigration in the last twenty years and have never been consulted about it. If new immigrants and the children of new immigrants are to integrate fully then it would be an idea to consider dressing appropriately and not calling other new immigrants "racist bitches".

naneh a dit…

sorry,mate but i dissagree with you on this one. the headscarf wasnt really the point. the problem was that oli thinks she has a right to be here cause she is christian and white.yet she has made little effort to learn the language or to make english friends. she arrived illegally with fake documents and has now made them "legal" through a fake marriage.
my british-muslim collegue was born here. his native language is english, and he has never lived in any other country. so to tell him he should go back "home" is absurd: this is his home. and he is not "another" immigrant, you dont immigrate to your own country. nobody asked him to be born here, that is just what happened, living here is a right, not a priveledge.
i also disaggree that english make efforts to respect local cultures, i have seen to many loud, drunk, disrespectful, monolingual english louts abroad to accept that.

as for our albanian friends....sta mogu da kazem? srbi su srbi....bolje ne traziti logiku

Anonyme a dit…
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Anonyme a dit…

Quote: "I have seen too many loud, drunk, disrespectful, monolingual English louts"

Okay, how about if I said " I have seen too many _____ ____ ____ ____ ____ muslims"?

You'd be accusing me of making racist generalisations, wouldn't you?

Anonyme a dit…

Oh, and Happy New Year mate!

naneh a dit…

happy new year to you too mate!

arisooter a dit…

Hello Naneh, Happy New Year. Just started reading your blog after connecting from Marcus' one. I have to say that I agree with Marcus to a certain extent. There are many immigrants in Britain, and their children, who want all the advantages of living in Britain, work, healthcare, social security, but none of the culture. Many old farts still only speak their native tongue, follow their own religion,(fine by me), but want to convert the world to Islam and will do anything to achieve that including terrorism. There are immigrants who aren't Muslims who act this way too, but Islam is particularly reactionary and is the current bogeyman of the West, so I think they should try to keep their heads down and integrate as much as possible in order to smooth things along. When I was in London in the summer, I saw a heck of a lot of rag-head women, (I'm being deliberately insulting), in full burqas and it really made me angry as they paraded around under the thumb of their nutter menfolk and an outdated, misunderstood religious dogma that is destablising half the planet. If your colleague who's parents are from the Sudan has fully integrated into British society, then good for him and I wish him all the best. As for the rest, they should naff off back to the country of their ideological birth and give us a rest.
Cheers,
Alistair

naneh a dit…

but what is wrong with a headscarf? some diversity?
i hate all religous extremeism, but i think it is unfair to accuse only muslims of that: my own aunt lives in the middle of the US, is a christian fundamentalist, doesnt allow her children to go to school (they are home schooled, so they dont get exposed to things like evolutionism, and even then only until 16, to prevent them from getting dangerous ideas...oh, and they cant read secular books or listen to music) and doenst let me have any contact with them, my cousins, since i might be a bad influence!!!! that scares me more than any head scarf.

arisooter a dit…

You are right, I hate all religious extremism. As I said, it just so happens that Islam is the current bogeyman. I dislike seeing women wearing the burqa or headscarf for what they represent. They probably fit right in the Middle East, but Clapham High Street?

naneh a dit…

to the contrary, i would say they seem perfectly and increasingly normal on clapham high street, but that seems to be what you are objecting to!